Stop. Before going on reading, keep what follows well in mind: we’re not denying the Holocaust here; we’re not saying Jews are controlling the world; no new or old Nazis are here. We’re not interested in discussing about the amount of Jews killed by Nazi in the WWII: they were a lot, for sure. Racial laws against Jews were made, for sure, both in Germany and Italy. This is no space to deny anything, here: it happened, for sure.
Anyway, let me point out juicy news today: the German Jewish community heavily complains about the new questionnaire for German citizenship. The problem is: no questions about the Shoah are present in the questionnaire. I lived in Germany four years. German kids grow up with comics and cartons showing how Nazi treated Jews. German teenagers grow up with movies about Nazis and Holocaust. German citizens are daily bombarded with news linked to Holocaust. How often Angela Merkel was at ceremonies remembering how cruel was the Jews genocide?
So, isn’t time ripe enough to let Germany develop without always remembering what happened 63 years ago?
How long Germans will have to pay for what they did? 63 years passed and the generation who took part in the Holocaust infamy is mostly underground. How long will it take before just writing on and criticizing Jews will not be considered anymore an offense to the victims of the Holocaust? Is Shoah becoming a business? This would be a real infamy towards the millions Jews killed by Nazis and (!) Fascists during one of the darkest pages of European history.
The heavy pressure Jews community put on foreign countries brings, unwanted, dark humor reactions like the one that follows (found here):
- New questions proposed for the questionnaire to obtain German citizenship -
1. Did you cry watching the movie “Schindler’s List”?
(a) Yes, loudly and sadly (b) Yes, but only because it is a terrible story, (c) No, why?
(correct: a)
2. Who brings gifts to German kids for Christmas?
(a) The Easter rabbit, (b) The Nicklaus, (c) The holy Saint Holoklaus
(correct: c)
3. On the 9th of November Germans celebrate
(a) The fall of the wall, (b) Hitler’s putsch, (c) The night of Crystals
(correct: c)
Discuss Biology
July 13, 2008 at 8:16 pm |
jews are breaking my balls.Jews are killing today Palestine and they still complain.Actually they like a lot make an issue their believes .But they don’t talk about god but they talk that they are jews only.Have you seen anyone else talking about his own religion like that?Have you ever seen anyone saying……hallo i am catholic……only jews say…..hi..i am a jew……SO WHAT THE FUCK????They simply they talk only about history.What can we say the greeks then?That we were not victims too?
I don’t pay attention to them.I ignore them all.Yes the nazi were bad people but this is history now.The germans should not have anymore fears.Nazis are all dead almost.In a few years noone from the second world war will exist.
Lets pay attention to the children who are starving in Africa.lets pay attention to some americans who bombing innocent childrean(and they love jews,and jews love them).
With a few words…..dear jews…you break balls.Not all of you.
Thank you
July 13, 2008 at 8:47 pm |
Just to avoid the blog to close for antisemitism:
- Ioannis is not part of the staff
- He, as guest, is free to write his own ideas
- “Jews you break balls” cannot be interpreted as a negation of the Holocaust.
- This comment is not racist, as it condemns (even if with strong words) a certain “attitude” of part of a population, not the population itself.
- Loranablog does not agree with this comment, but this doesn’t mean Loranablog should delete it
- Thus, this comment can stay here.
July 13, 2008 at 10:13 pm |
Holocaust and jews should not be an issue anymore.I also feel sorry for them and it is good to remember it sometime but not like this.The people who give food for anti-Semitism are jews themselves.It is provocation to complain by the time they act like Nazis to Palestine.They can do whatever they want like it is their playground …but the problem is if someones like me complains….he is accused for antisemitism….or maybe is my haircut?(:
July 13, 2008 at 10:18 pm |
ps.
I have great news!!!!
I.H.A.N.G!!!!!!!!!!
i will also book a ticket tomorrow.
July 13, 2008 at 10:24 pm |
Bring her with you
July 13, 2008 at 10:34 pm |
we’ll see
August 20, 2008 at 5:25 am |
First, you can publish my e-mail. I do not live in fear.
I love the German Language. I find German man very good looking. I think they have a good “Wurst”. and I am start ingn to think that the reason behind of this mess was that Germans were attracted to the German women, and the women attracted to the German men. Religion block people! Jesus unites. So, my suggestion to Jews in Germany is that they have sex with each other, and in the end, they will be happy. All this friction is probably because the Jews men knew the existence and reality of the 36 German Dicksen. In order to know this code, you have to contact the German Intelligence.
August 20, 2008 at 9:36 pm |
…mah…
January 28, 2009 at 7:41 pm |
REVISED ENTRY
Hello everyone! World War II was not a ‘Good’ war, as they want us to believe. It was a Bad war
like ALL wars!
How Three Million Germans Died AFTER the War was Over
Why the Germans were ALSO Victims of World War II
The crimes committed AGAINST the Germans by the Allies in WW II were almost as horrendous as those committed
BY the Germans. Five hundred thousand Germans, mainly women, children and old people were victims of the Air War which left European cultural centers such as Dresden a desert of smoldering ruins. The purpose of these bombings was to to terrorize the German civilian home front. Attempts to hinder German war production by bombing were basically unsuccessful.
Another serious crime against the Germans was the treatment of German POWs in open areas along the Rhine. This was primarily an American endeavor. Hundreds of Germans died in these camps due to the lack of cover and adequate food. Germans who tried to throw food and water over the wire were physically threatened.
Certainly ‘die Flucht und Vertreibung’ (flight and expulsion) was a GERMAN holocaust. At least l5 million Germans were
forcibly and brutally expelled from Eastern Germany and Eastern and Southern Europe by Poles, Czechs and Russians. In many cases, they were expelled from areas which had been Prussian and/or German for as long as 800 years (East Prussia). Of the l5 million Germans expelled from their ancestral homes, some 2 million died from mass rape, murder, beatings and starvation on the road to what was left of Germany.
Women and young girls were mass raped from the ages of 8 to 80. Old men and boys who tried to protect them were often
castated and beaten or shot to death. Many of the German women who were raped were killed and, in some cases, nailed
(crucified) to barn doors as documented in Nemmersdorf, East Prussia. (See videos on www. youtube.de.)
The Allies’ criminal and ill-conceived decision to deprive Germany of l/4 of her land in the East resulted in some 82 million
residents of ‘rump’ Germany now being crammed into an area the size of Montana. Poland, with a much smaller population, is nearly as big as her western neighbor (nemesis). Within Poland’s borders are the old German provinces of Silesia, half of former East Prussia, West Prussia, Danzig and parts of Brandenburg. Gone are the bastions of German culture such as Koenigsberg,
Breslau, Danzig and Stettin. Stettin is on the WEST side of the Oder but it was still given to the Poles. What German could not help but feel the pain and helplessness of such unfair criminal losses?
Of course, the propaganda is that since the Russians refused to give back the eastern part of Poland which they had taken
in conjunction with the Nazi in l939, Germany was to be deprived of territory in the east to compensate poor Poland. Rarely known is the fact that Poland had taken the land in the East from the Soviet Union back in the 20s when the Soviets were weak.
As early as l920, Lord Curzon, the British Foreign Minister, had proposed that the so-called Curzon Line would be a fair border
for Poland. The present boarder of Poland with Russia is now basically along the Curzon Line so the need to fill the Polish
goose with East German corn was a hypocritical fallacy.
I am an American who served in West Germany twice during the Cold War. I learned about the Flight and Expulsion from Germans who had lost their homes and everything else and had experienced first-hand famine, mass rape and the murder of their loved ones. Even I, an American, who experienced none of this feel compelled to study this great injustice while experiencing deep sorrow, pain and anger. I find it haard to believe that America and its allies sanctioned these crimes against the German people. Yes, there are treaties forced on the Germans so they could achieve unification which recognize the
inappropriate Oder-Neisse Line. But as Abramam Lincoln said, ‘Nothing is settled untdil it is settled fairly. The problem of the flight and expulsion and Germany’s eastern border with Poland will continue to fester until a fair solution is found.
Perhaps Americans could better understand the feelings of millions of German expellees if they could imagine the US losing a war and the victors arbitrarily awarding my home state California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and the great state of Texas to Mexico. If the truth be known, Mexico had a much more valid claim to these states than Poland ever did to Eastern Germany.
Our friends the Brits could better understand if they would allow themselves to imagine the lost of one quarter of their present territory.
One last thought; the German expellees from the very first days formally renounced violence and revenge when it came to reclaiming their homes and property. If they had not done this, can you imagine what the situation might be even now.
Like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, they very might very well might be daily acts of violence between the German expellees and the Poles.
Instead, the German expellees have remained peaceful, but never the less, well aware of the great injustice that was done to them. Someone has said, ‘The greatest loss there is, is the loss of one’s home.’
Dear Friends, If you find the above interesting, I would be grateful if you could do some research about the ‘Flight and Expulsion.’ Ask your German friends and aquaintances if they are from the ‘lost lands’ in the East. Ask them about their experiences at the end of the War. You will be amazed and perhaps shocked by what they went through. There are some informative videos on http://www.youtube.de (and com) showing the explusion and atrocities against the Germans.
Sincere best wishes to you all, Peter
January 29, 2009 at 11:03 am |
Italy and Germany started the WWII. They lost it and they paid for it (Italy less just because we changed the flag at the last moment). What you wrote about East Germany happened in East Italy too.
What can I say? If you start a war and you loose it, you pay back the insanity you started.
I do agree that the allies commited war crimes like the bombing of Dresden. However, I think it is easy for us to have a cold view on those happenings and to judge them in a diferent way just because we didn’t suffer for them.
February 12, 2009 at 11:53 pm |
i love way too many people
February 12, 2009 at 11:53 pm |
i love way too amny people
February 12, 2009 at 11:54 pm |
peace love and happiness
April 26, 2009 at 12:21 am |
Peter,
I’m an American, my father fought in WW2, and guess what?
SHUT UP, you Nazi sympathizer,
The ARROGANT Germans started the war, tortured people, and payback was a bitch. BOOHOO.
I knew some immigrant germans in the US who were just as bad as the NAZIS during WW2. Still hated the Jews, the Poles, even HERE in the US. Get a freekin life you loser.
June 3, 2009 at 8:39 am |
far out you guys are a bunch of nazi sympathisers. nothing, i repreat, nothing was done in WW2 that even comes close to equally the nazi treatment of jews and other prisoners in the camps.
in real life, if you make a mistake, you have to pay for it, learn from it and live with it. killing millions of innocent people is the biggest mistake one could make. and germany must live with this mistake as long as they a still a country.
so seriously, you guys are fucked in the head if you think the allies did anything that makes the holocaust sound or look any better
June 3, 2009 at 9:26 am |
“and germany must live with this mistake as long as they a still a country”
This is a very sad statement of yours. Germans who did not take part to the Nazi regime have nothing to do with what the regime did.
a) you’re very young and you see only black and white
b) you’re one of those who can see the mistakes only out of his own garden
Germany and Nazi regime are not anymore the same thing since 1945: wake up! Living in Germany today as a foreigner can be a very nice experience in comparison to other so-called civilized country. Did you ever try?
July 4, 2009 at 7:02 pm |
I am neither American or German. I am an Indian. And I have one thing to say. Joe and Junior…You guys are the biggest losers of all. Indeed, the American nation is so absorbed in self-righteousness that it fails to see that America was the only nation in the world that ever used atomic weapons in combat (twice!!!) and that too on civilian targets, that American and British bombers killed more Germans in WW2 per week than the Germans killed in all of Britain throughout the war, that Americans raped, killed and injured thousands of civilians in Vietnam in a war they started for their own imperiaist gains, and that Americans are continuing to terrorise civilians even today. One building falls down in a single terrorist attack, and Americans think they have the bloody right to destroy whole countries for that. They forget the billions of buildings in Germany, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia and Iraq that they destroyed, and have NEVER PAID BACK FOR.
If any one needs to get a life, ITS YOU SELF_RIGHTEOUS AMERICANS!!!!
July 4, 2009 at 7:06 pm |
And by the way, MY GRANDFATHER FOUGHT IN WORLD WAR II AS WELL…
July 7, 2009 at 3:16 pm |
I thank you for saying us your ideas. You brought some balance back.
July 9, 2009 at 12:28 pm |
This is a very interesting post. Added on my favorites. “Living in Germany today as a foreigner can be a very nice experience in comparison to other so-called civilized country” (Lorenzo).
This is very true. See what happens in England, Ireland and East Europe. See how the treat the new comers in Greece. Go to BBC, Have your say section and check those lovely right wing, patriotic, nationalist opinions that come from British and Irish people! Check the comments below every Irish video on youtube to see which country is closer to the nazi ideology. Apart from that, Germany did not give any far right vote to the recent fiasco of European elections. Only Germany and Sweden.
By the way, I always found the Germans friendly and more keen than the Irish-British. They only have bad name. I know… during their economic booming people from all over Europe went there as the demand for working hands was high but the country was unable to accept new cultures. It was nothing more than a divided nation under the shame of WW2 with so much troubles inside but today I believe Germany show a completely different profile. After the fall of the Berlin Wall the people could finally see the things wider. The Germans embraced other cultures and today is a multicultural country. Recent survey in tvxs (Greek media) show that Muslim minorities in Germany have been fully integrated. Most of them are member in German social clubs (not even muslim) and there are a lot of successful stories, things unknown for the Irish standards. Apart from that the German NPD (Nazi party) has only the 1pc of the population support and nazism is alive mainly in the East Germany which was under the iron curtain, the same example is noticeable most of the East European countries, massive rise of nazism. In Germany also there are much more anarchists, communists than nazis and there are huge anti racists organizations things that don’t exist in UK and Ireland and perhaps in USA.
Go post that for UK and you will get comments like “go off you n…” while in Germany expressions like “nazi scum” are not rare online.
@peter and Junior
In a war, everybody does mistakes. War is war but stop blaming Germany for the WW2. This could happen to every country and learn also that the rise of fascism was a pan-european phenomenon between 1930-40, not just German. (Mussolini in Italy, I.Metaksas in Greece, Franco in Spain and the list goes on).
July 9, 2009 at 12:37 pm |
Peter could you provide me some links of all that you say. If you show me some evidences I will definitely accept it, but if that comes straight from your arse then sorry…